naked mole rats https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/ en Stem Cells on the Medical Frontier https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/seed/2016/07/11/stem-cells-on-the-medical-frontier <span>Stem Cells on the Medical Frontier</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>On Respectful Insolence, Orac examines the dangers posed by experimental stem cell treatments, which are often offered outside the United States in order to avoid regulatory oversight. Orac writes that stem cell therapy is "moving from cutting edge science to applied science" but treatments are not yet refined to the point of being safe and effective. In the case of Jim Gass, a stroke patient who sought stem cell therapy at clinics around the world, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/07/05/the-dangers-of-stem-cell-tourism/">the intervention proved to be disastrous</a>, as cells injected into his lower back grew into a cancer-like mass that left him paralyzed from the neck down. On Life Lines, Dr. Dolittle reports new findings about the long-lived naked mole rat. Induced pluripotent stem cells from naked mole rats have <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/lifelines/2016/06/29/secret-to-safer-stem-cell-therapy-or-cure-for-cancer/">an active gene that suppresses tumor growth</a>, while in mice and humans the gene is not active. Dr. Dolittle concludes, "The hope is that this exciting research will lead to advancements in stem cell therapy that will make the process safer."</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/milhayser" lang="" about="/author/milhayser" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">milhayser</a></span> <span>Mon, 07/11/2016 - 08:37</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/misc" hreflang="en">Misc</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ipscs" hreflang="en">iPSCs</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/naked-mole-rats" hreflang="en">naked mole rats</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/stem-cell-therapy" hreflang="en">Stem Cell Therapy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/tumors" hreflang="en">Tumors</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/seed/2016/07/11/stem-cells-on-the-medical-frontier%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:37:28 +0000 milhayser 69268 at https://dev2.scienceblogs.com Happy Belated Mole Day! https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/2009/11/03/happy-belated-mole-day <span>Happy Belated Mole Day!</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><form mt:asset-id="21734" class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-5662d8a03888ab852814cd7a00c40cdf-mole-rat title.jpg" alt="i-5662d8a03888ab852814cd7a00c40cdf-mole-rat title.jpg" /></form> <div style="text-align: right;"><small><em>Sketch by <a href="http://petergulsvig.com/gallery">Peter Gulsvig</a>, renowned Zartist</em></small></div> <p>While I believe this bit of news has been well circulated this week, I wanted to give it the Zooillogix bump. Plus, I can only assume Zooillogix readers look to our blog for the latest breaking news... thus it would be a great disservice to all 25 of them to leave this unreported. University of Rochester biologists think they've figured out why the beloved naked mole rat continues to live their entire 30 year moley lifespans without ever having a tumor. That's right. No researcher has ever discovered evidence of cancer in these beauts.<br /> The biologists claim that the naked mole rats express a certain gene that prevents cells from reproducing when the cells become crowded, thereby stopping would-be tumors in their tracks. I say we need only to triple these genes, making the mole rats cancer free for 90 years, then replace our own genes with that of the naked mole rats. Duh.<br /> It seems that other small, but long lived rodents, like some species squirrels and some marmots, have little to no evidence of cancer, too. But researchers such as Vera Gorbunova from U. of Rochester still aren't sure exactly what kinds of anti-cancer going-ons are present in each one of the species. </p> <p>The images below are for mature audiences only.</p> <form mt:asset-id="21737" class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-af3335a958787eb5bbd9f9fad356368d-mole combo.jpg" alt="i-af3335a958787eb5bbd9f9fad356368d-mole combo.jpg" /></form> <p>Perhaps now they should look into pale, wrinkly, bald skin and blindness immunity genes. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/kthompson" lang="" about="/author/kthompson" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">kthompson</a></span> <span>Tue, 11/03/2009 - 17:43</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cancer" hreflang="en">cancer</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/genetic-modifications" hreflang="en">genetic modifications</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/naked-mole-rats-0" hreflang="en">Naked Mole-Rats</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/naked-mole-rats" hreflang="en">naked mole rats</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436805" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257295507"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I hope you're not planning on asking for a credit card number before allowing the uncensored images to be seen.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436805&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="exj3ZaJa-gc3ZUi2dw9mZYzKj-516Wf3gordU8RcNiI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">llewelly (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436805">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436806" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257319024"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ha! I clicked on your link hoping to read something about cocoa and chili combined. But never put mole sauce on moles.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436806&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0j20JauJaDO2lONV5O3aEK1oZbsDXZoz-pARLZBqIek"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Russell (not verified)</span> on 04 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436806">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436807" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257376121"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><em>I say we need only to triple these genes, making the mole rats cancer free for 90 years, then replace our own genes with that of the naked mole rats. Duh.</em></p> <p>I'm in.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436807&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CCpTRliKETWtAwAlm6QdrTA6Pca9xfGkeN7wcHGlffo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.aschoonerofscience.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Captain Skellett (not verified)</a> on 04 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436807">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436808" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257381676"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Loved the post.</p> <p>Reader #26</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436808&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="e_qomlPaSoZbgSQqf9UmzLQZrAU8zWOC6wSt0_SHm8E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://annlittlewood.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ann Littlewood (not verified)</a> on 04 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436808">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436809" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257431064"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>DANG! I missed Belated Mole Day <i>again??</i></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436809&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="e9taTVk199iKzGCIRtaYMvFrsNs_dzWIsRtIhDKrW2I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://fieldguidetohummingbirds.wordpress.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sheri Williamson (not verified)</a> on 05 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436809">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436810" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257845554"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You know that in the 1920's a doctor called 'Gerson' discovered the so called 'Cure' for cancer. That is, any and ALL variations.</p> <p>Would you all like to know what it is?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436810&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NrItyCj9uDm3TYpuUHUbVrUEVNERwGpyowvQC8Rf_-E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436810">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436811" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257846203"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>CAUTION!</p> <p>The following information may be Shocking and/or Unbelievable for some people, but it's a fact.</p> <p>It's a VEGAN diet.</p> <p>It also cures diabetes and other (without pharmacutical drugs,) seemingly incurable conditions.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436811&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xfpGiQ1wLUAucd28FnPm92V9QTzpfolyLEq_tppkL6g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rob (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436811">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436812" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257848627"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>It also cures diabetes and other (without pharmacutical drugs,) seemingly incurable conditions.</p></blockquote> <p>But clearly not moronism...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436812&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fik1VUYJMw9lvXMaymb5FWRfuaONjSVYlT8tE9TqMVI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">NJ (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436812">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2436813" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1257866621"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>and probably not mormonism either</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2436813&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9CFhHEdT49hIBAzSPmVh79Lx08uU-u3ol06tjWRP7LI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ym (not verified)</span> on 10 Nov 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2436813">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/zooillogix/2009/11/03/happy-belated-mole-day%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:43:09 +0000 kthompson 135409 at https://dev2.scienceblogs.com What Do You Think? Kin Selection: Fact or Fiction? https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/2008/01/09/what-do-you-think-kin-selectio <span>What Do You Think? Kin Selection: Fact or Fiction?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Why do some creatures forgo their own reproduction to help their relatives survive and reproduce? While we all might like to believe that naked mole rats really do care and are thus willing to sacrifice their creepy little lives for the good of the colony, the true answer probably has more to do with gene frequency across generations and evolution. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-a7d48187ac31c975823b142cff6b9983-Ants.jpg" alt="i-a7d48187ac31c975823b142cff6b9983-Ants.jpg" /><br /> A scene from the 2003 ant remake of "Saving Private Ryan". Needless to say, it did not fare well at the box office. </p> <p>Since the late 1950's, the idea of 'kin selection' has been the most widely accepted explanation for such bizarre behavior in species. The basic premise of kin selection (before you all attack my summary, please note that I work in tech sales, not a genetics lab) is this: Natural selection tends to...</p> <!--more--><p>...weed out genes that put individuals at a reproductive disadvantage. When the gene, however, causes the individual to have a lessened chance of reproducing, but also increases the chance of the individual's relatives in reproducing, that gene may actually increase in frequency over time. Why? Because the individual's relatives also carry that gene. In these cases, the benefits that the gene causes to the relatives outweighs the losses that it causes for the individual and thus the gene continues to be passed along through generations.</p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-474a9c699f1c7ca8d05ef66b59fc2a4a-Mother T.jpg" alt="i-474a9c699f1c7ca8d05ef66b59fc2a4a-Mother T.jpg" /><br /> What was her true motivation? The heavenly Father? Or a dominant gene? </p> <p>The idea behind kin selection was originally proposed by JBS Haldane in 1955 and, though sometimes controversial, has been more or less widely accepted by the scientific community for the last 30-40 years. The idea even helped make <a href="http://chrishoofnagle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Image129.jpg">Richard Dawkins</a> a star, as a central idea in his 1976 bombshell <em>The Selfish Gene</em>. </p> <p>Now, however, the whole idea of kin selection is being called into question by one of the most influential biologists of our time, E.O. Wilson of Harvard. Wilson has a new hypothesis that he is releasing in his upcoming book, <em>Suck It! </em>Just kidding the book is called <em>The Superorganism</em>. </p> <p><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/zooillogix/wp-content/blogs.dir/253/files/2012/04/i-fdc181ab6b2b502c103a7adfd536f027-E.O. Wilson.JPG" alt="i-fdc181ab6b2b502c103a7adfd536f027-E.O. Wilson.JPG" /><br /> "You're stupid," he seems to be saying. </p> <p>According to Wilson, such behavior is not a result of kin selection, but of the fact that personal sacrifice by individuals increases the chances of overall colonies in surviving, and thus has been selected for over time.</p> <p>Hmmm...sounds like we're in the verge of a good old fashioned bio-smack down! </p> <p>Where do you weigh in on the issue? </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/bleimanb" lang="" about="/author/bleimanb" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bleimanb</a></span> <span>Wed, 01/09/2008 - 09:18</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/evolution" hreflang="en">evolution</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ants" hreflang="en">ants</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/eo-wilson-0" hreflang="en">e.o. wilson</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/kin-selection" hreflang="en">kin selection</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/naked-mole-rats" hreflang="en">naked mole rats</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/richard-dawkins" hreflang="en">richard dawkins</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/vision" hreflang="en">Vision</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432388" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199893218"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sounds like this is about group selection vs gene selection (rather than kin selection), which I think Dawkins has made very compelling arguments against. A group full of altruists working for the good of the collective would be too easily cheated on by a few scoundrels.</p> <p>Besides, saying that "personal sacrifice by individuals increases the chances of overall colonies in surviving" is really a statement in support of kin selection - if you're talking about for instance ants. Which E.O. Wilson is fairly likely to be doing, considering.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432388&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="N-LhI9Iewgu21XtERxJsad4xsNBloCARMhE4mTdJl0U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Felicia Gilljam (not verified)</a> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432388">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432389" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199894673"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'd be interested to read this. Like Felicia said, it sounds like he's touting group selection, which I have yet to read a compelling argument for. I'd like to see how he's laying this out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432389&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="s5gSNFzdHffgXf6wDFC0qsCGt-zltCBj23W4fn51jfM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stevie (not verified)</span> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432389">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432390" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199895685"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>The idea behind kin selection was originally proposed by JBS Haldane in 1955 and, though sometimes controversial, has been more or less widely accepted by the scientific community for the last 30-40 years.</i></p> <p>haldane offered a rough verbal description. but the formal <b>theory</b> of kin selection/inclusive fitness was presented by w.d. hamilton in the mid-1960s. </p> <p>hamilton's original ideas were formulated before genetic testing allowed researchers to calculate precisely coefficients of relatedness. they had to make assumptions. it turns out that the coefficients of relatedness are sometimes lower than necessary for kin selection to be the only or sufficient principle maintaining group cohesion. </p> <p>in any case, re: wilson, he is promoting group selection, i think specific interdemic selection and the super-organism analogy. but he isn't repudiating kin selection, only arguing it isn't necessary as an explanation for all cooperation that we see among eusocial insects. many group selectionists would argue that kin selection is a subset of group selection.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432390&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LHLCNCz_7Hx-itfPAIbQdWjcxdPjJ4KxsBHmkLsIxIE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scienceblogs.com/gnxp" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">razib (not verified)</a> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432390">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432391" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199895969"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I agree with the first comment. A colony of social insects is a large family group with only one reproductive member and regarding it as a "superorganism" isn't exactly a new idea. Doing so for non-family groups seems suspect to me, but then I've not read this book and I have read The Selfish Gene.</p> <p>I think colonies are selected on, but I can't see any way for them to pass on their characteristics -- if a few members sacrifice for the group and fail to reproduce, their genes will be underrepresented in the next generation. That means they're selected <i>against</i> within the colony.</p> <p>There'd have to be some indirect way these genes were being preserved within the colony: it all has to boil down to gene selection eventually, just like cosmology has to boil down to the basic physical laws eventually.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432391&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xFkdSa2Bh37z-ZDkQvLt8dqJJqcnDxGV1nZotiqGOI4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.apathysketchpad.com/blog" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Andrew (not verified)</a> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432391">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432392" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199898964"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>A colony of social insects is a large family group with only <b>one reproductive member</b></i></p> <p>not always.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432392&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-CTu5FV9vVUQylca3NL0FLS6wRr7WjjCG1MYRo6zERI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scienceblogs.com/gnxp" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">razib (not verified)</a> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432392">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432393" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199899782"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm with E.O. Wilson on this one, and in fact have held the "group selection is valid" position for a while. As Wilson points out in one of his summaries, competition <i>within</i> a group favours selfish actors, or those who favour close kin over distant kin. However, when interactions <i>between</i> rather than within groups are factored in, then groups which have a higher percentage of true altruists and cooperators survive better.</p> <p>Think about it in terms of human game theory, for a minute. If there exists only a single group of people, then most everyone's time is taken up with competing with each other for status in the group. The minute another group shows up on the horizon, possibly carrying spears, then the group which immediately shoves aside all internal rivalries in order to concentrate on the external threat is much more likely to survive as a cohesive unit and pass on its culture to children. If they are too busy fighting each other for resources to deal with an outside threat -- through self-sacrifice of heroic individuals if necessary -- then the entire group is far more likely to get stomped.</p> <p>Also -- the potential for true altruism to be passed on genetically <i>even if there is only a single reproducing individual in a colony</i> is certainly feasible, if you think about it. All such traits have to arise spontaneously in a single mutant breeding individual at some point; what then becomes important is the differential survival of those who carry that genetic potential as opposed to the originals. If those offspring which carry the mutant trait are able to better foster the next breeding offspring, the trait has an advantage over other, non-mutant-breeder groups.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432393&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YIsiCNhr2gNbdiEcAwGdf2fG0FeuGLLdF0aCznQbMEE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Luna_the_cat (not verified)</span> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432393">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432394" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199906576"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It may help to go back to basic thinking about fitness. There is simple Darwinian fitness which is a measure of how well you do in producing sexually mature offspring. Inclusive fitness is a measure of how many copies of your genes get passed on to the next generation, and is the basis for the idea of kin selection.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432394&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5cV4FbsW3L3kUb5Tob980WYDU2ppYtUksG2F5dKRIEs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Thomerson (not verified)</span> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432394">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432395" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199922686"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's 'fare' well. Not 'did not fair well at the box office'.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432395&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="kzJQcig8K92wjgUM-2xTJ1WxzjVMaKkAsOrQ18lqgWg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joshua Marker (not verified)</span> on 09 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432395">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432396" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199957747"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was just reading the other day on Wikipedia about Kropotkin the Anarchist (wait, hear me out!). His theory was cooperation of the entire species against others for the good of all rather than competition within a single species for the good of an individual. I like that theory, since it really does seem humanity faces innumerable challenges when it comes to survival--take us out of our cities and without training and weapons we're just soft and delicious. Of course it doesn't work-- it's basically communism and that's just something that hasn't worked for anyone well. Maybe small groups, I remember my high school history teacher saying that really the Plains Indian tribes were one of the few civilizations that actually practiced what you could call communism. </p> <p>There's also a German film by Herzog about the mystery of Kasper Hauser entitled 'Every man for himself and God against all.' </p> <p>And that's my day's worth of hyperbole and intellectual dillettantism all rolled up into one comment!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432396&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ha52D5Mm3v1AG2GTxNc49-cFlemdEpaeHRfy6kTuUAY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jenbug (not verified)</span> on 10 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432396">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432397" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1199965047"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Joshua Marker, what do you mean? That's what I had written the whole time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432397&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7hx-xJ6qTdULc5zM6mxBIOpkkl1bkC0y4KebMIbiQgI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.zooillogix.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Benny (not verified)</a> on 10 Jan 2008 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432397">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432398" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234405004"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>evden eve nakliyat</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432398&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TaOGCcKlRfJZMi9zxRDM20Ti0vJ4FLdX8UpEFCG5RYQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hikmetoglunakliyat.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">evden eve nakliyat (not verified)</a> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432398">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432399" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1234405152"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>evden eve nakliyat</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432399&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Np4w0cfjh7XZVrPCj1Yoc0KzylFk8BkaCC8juje03yY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.karacaevdeneve.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">evden eve nakliyat (not verified)</a> on 11 Feb 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432399">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432400" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1238051954"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>thanks. by Brooklyn</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432400&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9yq6qXjEO6AnUWAlHNLfauAzfG7mu9JcOjnFeLnwybs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ekelebek.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cet (not verified)</a> on 26 Mar 2009 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432400">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432401" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1264947092"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Joshua Marker, what do you mean? That's what I had written the whole time.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432401&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OzAUb74MsigEFuEwec6PkbHIL1VpQ3UITGxU3jBrSUU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.vbgrup.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">web hosting (not verified)</a> on 31 Jan 2010 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432401">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-2432402" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1289925860"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>çok severim site çok güzel</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=2432402&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AgSp5oqqgu9L7YLxBGfM-KTxbA6TyktXjPhzQllr7QI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amatorswinger.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">swinger (not verified)</a> on 16 Nov 2010 <a href="https://dev2.scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/17847/feed#comment-2432402">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/zooillogix/2008/01/09/what-do-you-think-kin-selectio%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:18:56 +0000 bleimanb 135044 at https://dev2.scienceblogs.com